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The Bright Lord
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Re: The Market Thread.

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@fabiaville I just think they dont have willpower to resist buying gold, or just dont like not beeing able to buy it. What baffles me, that in this game, everything in the marked can either be found ingame or you can buy it with the ingame currency. So if you dont like to buy gold, then dont. It does not affect any aspect of your game, so you can ignore it. And what other people chose in terms of their own game, should be up to them without judgement. I dont understand why people are so mad about MTs. Sooo many games have it, and you can ignore every single one of them. Just because you allready spent money buying the game, dont mean you have to spend even more. What I tend to hear is that it should not be MTs in "not free to play" games. So its perfectly okey in free to play? What is the difference? 

 

For example: Futurama "World of Tomorrow". Its a free game in the app store. It cost to get pizza and money, which you use to get better buildings and characters. Those characters are some time-limited and better to use than the normal ones. You can spend pizza on lvl up your characters or buildings that givesyou bonuses. But it is a single player game, so it wont affect anyone else. This is acceptable.

 

in SoW its JUST THE SAME. It only affect your game. Everything you can buy, is things allready in the game, so unlike Futurama, you dont get any special or better characters. You cant buy skill points, but you can buy xp-bonus. So you cant lvl up anything right away, you still have to work for it. Nothing is special in the marked. Maybe its the fact that you dont get to buy legendary/epic training order that grinds people gears? I dont know, but my point is, for some reason its not acceptable in this game.

 

I will argument that its worse in the free to play, and it can get people hooked. They are big moneymachines. Just look at like Clash of clans. But SoW is not like clash of clans. It wont reach that kind of number of players. And in most cases, people wont buy gold. Its just something for those players who want it for whatever reasons. So why deny those players something that dont affect you in any shape or form, and which you can totally ignore? Its good they have something for every type of player there is. But no. You have "principles" that other players have to live by too. 

 

Edit: And I like to be able to give monolith a bit more for the awesome game, that means it would give them more to make more games in the future. I dont think of these chests as cheats in any way. Many look at this as cheats. I will argue they then dont know what a cheat is. They dont give you unlimited of anything or like Goldeneye did in its day: give everyone balloon-heads. It just gives you a couple of followers, who does the same as the other captains. They follow you, they can betray you, they can die. They are not special. Is it more fun to find them, brand them and lvl them up from bottom up? Of course it is. That is the point of the game. Is it a cheat to spend excess mirian on silver chest, or is it cheat only when you spend gold? 

 

And to call people who buy gold "brainwashed" is very judgemental. I dont belive MTs is in SoW because of greed at all. But of course are WB and Monolith in this industry to make money. But if it was for greed, it would not be a option to use ingame currency at all. Its just an extra alternative for the few players who like to use it. They enjoy the game as much as those who dont use it. Do you really have to spend 300 hours to enjoy the game? 

 

For me SoM and SoW will be a game I will enjoy for years to come, even if I use xp-boosts in one of the playthroughs. I will pick it up when Im sick, when Im bored, because I love the world they have created. The joy wont diminish just because I spent a few bucks extra. I wont even spend as much as the mithril edition cost.

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Re: The Market Thread.

I have a lot of free time and enjoy grinding ft good gear and things like that in games (I'm on my way to getting every lvl 30 tune on SOM) but I understand that some people don't or can't. I like this market system and what I'll probably do is spent Mirian on Silver Chests, keep the training order and kill the orcs for gear so I can destroy it for Mirian (unless the Orc or gear is really good). So then I gain access to training orders but find the orcs in the Open World. I may occasionally buy gold but I won't spend a lot of money on it. Someone mentioned previously on this thread that they think that community goals could be implemented (eg $10000, $15000...) and every time we reach a goal (as a community) everyone received a free update which contains something like another legendary set of armour that we are able to find in the game etc.. and I think this is an amazing idea and would love to see Monolith implement it.
Because I've bought the Gold Edition and both me and my brother will play it but on different profiles in our Xbox, do we both get a Gold Warchest in our games or do only one of us get it??
Also, because I've bought the Gold Edition, if I open my Gold Warchest in my first Save does it appear in my second Save?
I think it should but they're non transferable do they in the Save they start in but they're in every Sace you make.
This is just my opinion and I'm just trying to help. I cannot offer tech support and am in no affiliated with Monolith.
Captain
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Re: The Market Thread.

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To be honest this is the only way to make this game more popular worldwide (seriously) ... i hope because of market Shadow of War will bee looong time project for future updates and content only optional of course through payment if u want it faster  AND also it's time to conquer online world and remember nothing will be forgotten. I have 500 + hours in SOM wonder how many i will have in SOW with this all new content.

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Re: The Market Thread.

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What baffles me is that you keep defending these microtransactions by insulting and belittling other people. It has nothing to do with their willpower. A lot of people dislike microtransactions for whatever reason. Respect their opinion!

 

You keep saying that everything in the market can be found in-game or can be bought with mirian, but this is simply not true. Monolith stated in their original post that 'Mirian is a form of in-game currency that players earn by playing the game. Along with Gold, Mirian can be used to purchase Loot Chests and War Chests from the Market. Gold is another form of in-game currency that can be used to get higher level Loot Chests, War Chests, Boosts and Bundles of the aforementioned content'. 

 

Yes, you can get a silver warchest, or lootchest with mirian, but you won't be able to get a gold, or mythrill warchest, or lootchest without paying for gold. I know that you can get gold from participating in community challenges, but not everyone will do so. You also get gold at specific milestones in the game, but that is only a small amount. You won't get the same things from a silver warchest, or loot chest as you will get from a gold, or mythrill chest. You will never be able to get a legendary order, without buying gold to get a mythrill warchest. Therefore, people are indeed affected by the implementation of microtransactions.

 

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Re: The Market Thread.

well i don't think we'll ever be able to convey our feelings to the other party. 

 

you've got the side of the ppl who understand the devs. 

you've got the side of the greedy consumers who want gold and mithril chests for silver too(defeating the whole purpose of MT's)

and you've got the side of the ppl who hate MT's for whatever reason.

 

me on the other hand will not forsake hours upon hours of fantastic content just because of some small feature. feel free to forsake yours but i won't.

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Re: The Market Thread.

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Neither will I. I've been looking foward to this game ever since it was announced. I immediately ordered the Mythrill edition on the same day. I can't wait to play it. I will be playing this game for many hours. 

 

I can understand all sides, but what I can't understand is the need to insult and belittle other people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you should respect eachother.

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Re: The Market Thread.

I was seriously considering buying this on release but after hearing that there is now going to be micro-transactions for a single player game, I've lost all interest in this game. I find it absolutely disgusting that you would lower yourself to include this greedy, money-grabbing scheme into a game that has no needs for it.

 

I was really excited for this game when it was first announced and yet you've killed my hype for this game in a single night. 

 

Congratulations.

The Bright Lord
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Re: The Market Thread.

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benelli86 wrote:

What baffles me is that you keep insulting and belittling other people. It has nothing to do with their willpower. A lot of people dislike microtransactions for whatever reason. Respect their opinion!

 

You keep saying that everything in the market can be found in-game or can be bought with mirian, but this is simply not true. Monolith stated in their original post that 'Mirian is a form of in-game currency that players earn by playing the game. Along with Gold, Mirian can be used to purchase Loot Chests and War Chests from the Market. Gold is another form of in-game currency that can be used to get higher level Loot Chests, War Chests, Boosts and Bundles of the aforementioned content'. 

 

Yes, you can get a silver warchest, or lootchest with mirian, but you won't be able to get a gold, or mythrill warchest, or loot chest without paying for gold. I know that you can get gold from participating in community challenges, but not everyone will do so. You also get gold at specific milestones in the game, but that is only a small amount. You won't get the same things from a silver warchest, or loot chest as you will get from a gold, or mythrill chest. Therefore, people are indeed affected by the implementation of microtransactions.

 


It was not an insult, it was a direct comment on someone else that said that "Monolith has said the GOLD system is for people who want to play the game faster, but it's true, this sytem will also drain wallets of people who have poor self control when it comes to microtransactions, and makes the game feel cheaper, like a facebook game or a casino slot machine, than the rad AAA Lord of the Rings game it shoud be."

 

So if that is the biggest issue for some, they shouldnt play at all if they cant manage their wallet!

 

And just no. People or the game are not affected by the MTs! Its just like people who buy gold editions of games. They get more than those who dont. And if I chose to buy gold, how is that hurting you? Its for people who find it useful. Other people can play just like they did in SoM, hunting down the perfect followers and kill those that dont meet expectations. 

 

And you get training orders with mirian. If the biggest problem is the fact you wont get epic training orders, even though it constantly beeing said its a cheat, you will get orcs with those traits anyway. And if you dont want to do the community events, guess what: that is your choice, and that means you dont get gold. If you do them, you get gold, and CAN buy the gold/mithril chest when you save up. So you CAN buy everything in the shop without buying any gold. It just takes more time to do so. 

 

Im not that naive that I dont think it has nothing to with money. It has. But nothing is hidden behind it (Like in other games). Is it a perfect marked? Of course not. It might get better over time. But to be so against something that are not forced upon you, I will never understand. 

 

 

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Re: The Market Thread.


benelli86 wrote:

Neither will I. I've been looking foward to this game ever since it was announced. I immediately ordered the Mythrill edition on the same day. I can't wait to play it. I will be playing this game for many hours. 

 

I can understand all sides, but what I can't understand is the need to insult and belittle other people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and you should respect eachother.


The whole point of a forum is to argue on points. Yeah you have your own opinion but then I have the right to make you understand you don't have to spend real money to get any of these items. Just use the Silver currrency for FREE. I'm not sure if everyone is grasping that or it's just flying over their head.

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Re: The Market Thread.

how the fact that MT's are implemented kill your hype i'll never know nor understand. though i will say that you need to be cautious around MT's, but it is no reason to hate the game just cuz they are there. 

 

also pls include your reasoning behind the fact that you don't like MT's. syaing "i hate MT's" has absolutely no meaning and can in no means improve future games or features.

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Re: The Market Thread.

So if the market is only available online, do the prompts for the market (such as on the army screen) go away? Is there a way to turn off the prompts if you don't want to see them? I have to travel for work often, and don't always have a stable connection. It would be nice if I didn't have to see something I would be unable to use.
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Re: The Market Thread.

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I really don't understand why everyone's so cut from this feature, you literally gain no benefit if you get the mithril chests for instance, big whoop you get 4 legendary captains it's not like you can't do anything they can do better by yourself, it's just a feature for anyone that wants to/can spend money to buy them, i personally am not planning on spending any money on it and will only buy chests with gold once i hoard it all from the community challenges and milestones. 

Nothing is behind any paywall, the one thing i slightly agree on is that garrisoning orders are from the warchests but thankfully they can be bought with miriam so it's not that big of a deal, otherwise literally anything else will not matter at all in your games so i again do not realize the huge hate of this specific market for SoW, for other MT f2p games i can understand because usually the stuff is locked behind a paywall, but here the cool stuff you can find if you just play the game normally without buying anything or you can even get it from the normal chests at a chance which is again not any big problem, i know people dislike MT in games but i think this one is getting too much hate when it's not like other of it's kind.

Now aside from that i'd actually want to know what the Bounty earners chest is, because it says "Recruit three orc followers, ready to kill players seeking their bounty" is this the online option ? can we send captains to show up in our friends games so they can hunt them down or am i misunderstanding it?.

The Bright Lord
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Re: The Market Thread.

Most game have MT'

People just need to grow up, I don't think everyone here read English
its been said many time already and people are still hating and mad about MT'

IF YOU DON"T LIKE IT, DON'T USE IT
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People spend money on worthless things everyday anyway which I can't say it directly, but stop acting like you have to use MT'
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Re: The Market Thread.

I really don't think this market should garner this much hate, you literally get nothing of substantial value if you even buy the gold/mithril chests because big whoop, you get like 4 legendary captains it's not like you need them to succeed in anything, you can literally just do everything solo in the game or just find them by playing the game, you can also find legendary captains from the silver chests as well so i really don't see any issue especially since the devs already said there is nothing locked behind paywalls.

The one thing i dislike about the market is that garrison orders you need from chests but at the very least you can get those from silver chests so it's not that big of a deal, i wont be spending a dime on the market personally and will only use miriam and gold gathered from community missions/milestones.

Now aside from that i want to know what the bounty earners chests are it says "Recruit three orc followers. Ready to kill players seeking their bounty" is this the new online option in SoW ? sending captains from your game into your friends games to try and kill them to get bounty ? or am i misunderstanding it and this is something else. 

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Re: The Market Thread.

I am so confused how people can be ok with this.

Microtransactions in a SINGLE PLAYER game.

A game where you have to pay 60$ to just be able to play.

And people are willing to buy 20$ on disc dlc is out right baffeling. People paying for them to be able to lower the difficulty.

 

Am i the only one here in this thread that isn't annoyed or even suprised by this?!Robot Mad

This of course means that the grind will be a lot more tedious to make people see the microtransactions more viable.

Can someone just tell me outright that why they are ok with this kind of horrible cashgrab?

 

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Re: The Market Thread.

@Alex_ws you do understand that Metal Gear Solid The Phantom Pain is probably worse with MT right? so I don't really understand why people are against it when it's nothing in comparison to having to spend money to use ingame coin to buy insurance to defend your base.

I'm GLAD they're not doing that to us they're at least allowing us to get legendary captains I mean you can also get them in the open world but I'm assuming it's going to be "rare"
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Re: The Market Thread.

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@Preliminary7 Sure Metal gear solid The phantom pain is probably worse idk but that just means that it is a bad idea to copy it no?

But the thing is what will come with microtransactions of this game. Later it might just sligtly but surely get worse with removing stuff of the disc and behind a pay wall (Which has already happened with other game).

 

Also the fact that they are guaranteed to make the grind as horrible as possible just to make the microtransactions viable as possible. Just like what happened with "Dead space 3".  This has already become a trend with f2p games and i don't want it in game that i already payed 60$ for thank you very much. We already have to deal with the "Deluxe edition" which is just day 1 dlc behind a special sum. 

 

And the argument that is insurance just sounds dumb. Basiclly saying that people who are dumb or don't want to learn how the game works will always have a backup with just the cost of 1/3 of the original game.

 

This stuff isn't positive in anyway shape or from and neither are the things to come if this keep happening.

 

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Re: The Market Thread.

@MonolithJared I have some feature suggestion for market : "Reviver" What about we could bring back killed captain or follower at will and give him a choosen by player scar .? 2.Create Next Generated Captain allow player to choose which tribe,what traits and what category (warrior ,defender etc.) next generated captain will have by advancing time , you can choose more than one for bigger price . 

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Re: The Market Thread.

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@Alex_wsyou not the only one

@DraxengardIts called gambling and its legal in most cases it meant to have people hook

This shouldn't been in a Full single player . 

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Gacha

From the cavernous halls of Wikipedia: Gashapon

 

The terms gashapon (ガシャポン) or gachapon (ガチャポン) refer to a variety of vending machine-dispensed capsule toys popular in Japan and elsewhere. "Gashapon" is a Japanese onomatopoeia composed of two sounds: "gasha" (or "gacha") for the sound of a crank on a toy vending machine, and "pon" for the sound of the toy capsule dropping into the receptacle. Gashapon may describe both the machines themselves and the toys obtained from them. Popular manufacturers of gashapon include Tomy, which uses the shortened term Gacha (ガチャ gacha) for their capsule machines, and Kaiyodo. In the United States, "Gashapon" is a registered trademark of the Bandai Company and gashapon are generally referred to as blind box sets.

 

Essentially, what this game has become with the addition of  loot boxes.

 

Gacha. Gettit?